ʒyljɑnɑ ([info]leex) wrote,
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Queer by choice, again.

I don't believe in sexuality, and I don't believe in gender.

Let me amend that: I don't believe they should exist. Both of them are social constructs, for the largest part. I won't say biology won't enter into it at all, but where it does, it can be overridden by social factors. And if it can be overridden, it's obviously not all that relevant, so I can't claim sexual orientation is "partly biological" and keep a straight face.

I can accept, for instance, that genes or hormonal cycles hold sway over how often I'd want to engage in carnal activities, or influence rhythm or duration. But I can't accept the existence of a gene that causes me to be singularily obsessed with the form and function of my partner's genitals. Or one that forces my entire social behavior to correspond to my own equipment, and whether any opportunities for procreation present themselves.

Most scientific research on this topic is done to prove or disprove a pet theory of the researchers, and it's often ludricrously unchallenged. Books based on the sexual behaviours of fruit flies have been published, claiming rape is engaged in by males, since it helps them pass on their genes. (The intention of the work being to paint rape among humans as an acceptable behaviour, since it's natural; one has to take the genetic route in this, since nobody would seriously entertain the notion that fruit fly and human society resemble one another.) Another study tried to claim universality of gendered behaviour, since male chimpanzees play more with cars, while female chimpanzees preferred dolls and roller pins. We'll assume they've proven red rolly things are male-gendered, and brown rolly things female. Likewise, the length of your ring finger compared to your index finger will tell you if you're queer, unless you're an firstborn son. This was studied by comparing photocopies of handprints; interestingly, while trying this for myself I found I could easily manipulate my results by changing the way I put pressure on my hands.

I can't claim to be a researcher, but I do know this doesn't sound like proper science, and I'm wondering why people with their doctorates under their belts turn out such embarrassing treatises. I can only conclude that people are trying to get a handle on monolithic social phenomena, and that they coat their own preconceptions in scientific language to make them seem invulnerable.

For instance, liberals are far more likely to accept the gay gene theory, and conservatives reject it. The main difference between both views is that conservatives see queerness as a contagious disease. The liberal argument amounts to "but it's not contagious!" Not all liberals think this way, of course, but many of them do think of the gay gene theory as the only line of defence. Meanwhile, nobody really explores the thought that willfully engaging in same-sex relationships can be a moral position to take. It's not only unwise to see sexuality in such a strict dichotomy, but it amounts to ceding the point to the homophobes upfront, and then going for a Phyrric victory. This doesn't seem like a honest way of reasoning, and it's very unlikely to convince the opposition.

I don't claim everyone should choose to be queer, either. If you're happy with your current set of attractions, that's fine by me. If you feel you've been queer since the day you were born, that's not something I can agree with, but I certainly won't reproach you for it. I'll try to convince everyone once queers are an accepted part of society, but nowadays I have different priorities.

Why bother with identifying as queer by choice, then? Isn't just 'queer' enough? No, it isn't. In the current climate, queers are massively preferring socio-biological theories, to the extent that the debate is framed by them. I suspect at least some of this is out of tactical considerations. While still 8% of the community claims queerness is a choice, they seem to be mostly ignored. The net result, for me, is that I can't tell my own story in a vocabulary of birth defects and influential uteral hormones. It's not so much divisive on my part as it is restrictive on the part of the community. Queer-by-choicers are certainly not perfect - admitting you weren't born with this enlightened mode of thinking still seems pretty taboo - but I find it much nicer to be in a subcommunity where I'm not constantly on the defensive.

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[info]queerbychoice

February 12 2005, 20:19:03 UTC 7 years ago

"Queer-by-choicers are certainly not perfect - admitting you weren't born with this enlightened mode of thinking still seems pretty taboo"

What do you mean? There are people who claim to have been born considering themselves queer by choice? How could they possibly claim that, when they weren't born knowing how to speak any language or form sentences like that?

[info]leex

February 12 2005, 21:05:22 UTC 7 years ago

Ah, too punny for you? ^_~

There are people who don't like the thought of one of them not always having been as open-minded and anti-deterministic. In fact, I sort of fell into deconstructionism via divine determinism, which isn't a comfortable idea for some.

[info]voxsjournal

February 12 2005, 20:31:17 UTC 7 years ago

What's always confused me, politically (you may have noticed I've an interest in politics), is why it should matter. I'm straight, but if I decided to marry a man, I'd expect the same rights as I have as a straight man. From a political standpoint I think that the debate is a non-starter and misses the point entirely. From a scientific standpoint, I find it interesting.

[info]leex

February 12 2005, 21:19:11 UTC 7 years ago

(you may have noticed I've an interest in politics)

I think you once made some entries relating to politics, yes. Mind you, it was kind of hard to tell in between all those flowery poems. ^_~

Well, to be honest, the only local party that's planning to abolish same-sex marriage is the Fascist Party. In fact, same-sex couples are allowed to marry in Belgium, as well as adopt children. Ironically, again, the argument is in large part that the children wouldn't "catch gay" from the parents.

I think it's simply a matter of rightists trying to legislate morality and 1.) caricaturize the entire relationship, reducing it to sexual elements and then 2.) try to demonize those or inspire revulsion. It's very much a 'good vs. evil' rhetoric, particularily in the States. (Their opponents usually concede that they are immoral, for some incomprehensible reason, and then start arguing semantics.)

Many of the Marriage Protection people that had organized on a state basis to oppose legalization of gay marriage have now turned to opposing no-fault divorce laws, showing their strict Christian-conservative inspirations.

Scientifically, I don't think I'm wrong about this. But I think society as a whole isn't mature enough yet to be able to study this properly. Hopefully soon.

[info]socialismnow

February 12 2005, 23:28:14 UTC 7 years ago

I must admit, I have some qualms with the idea that we shouldn't "legislate morality". I think we can and should legislate morality. From relief of poverty and international aid to abolition of the death penalty (where it exists), universal welfare, social justice and the ending of the exploitation of labour, isn't the left's programme basically a profoundly moral one?

On the other hand what you may be getting at, and here I'd agree, is that there are some things which while they may be immoral fall outside the domain where it is legitimate or sensible for government to legislate; for example, cheating on someone while in an exclusive relationship with them. This is a breach of a private and personal trust and nothing with any relevance whatever to the state.

However, surely the biggest difference between left and right here is not that we don't want a moral politics but rather that we can't even begin to imagine any sensible reason for considering same-sex relationships as remotely immoral.

[info]chisparoja

February 14 2005, 12:46:45 UTC 7 years ago

It´s actually very hard for me to encapsulate exactly what in general is the difference between left and right wing approaches to morality, but the results are drastically different. Both the left and the right take into account emotional and psychological suffering, but in starkly opposing ways. The left doesn´t consider that it is immoral to cause someone to ´suffer´ because they are homophobic and don´t want to see to males kissing in public, and the right wing makes just this sort of argument. The right wing doesn´t appear to believe that it is at all immoral to deny disliked minorities and unbelievers the right to live in peace, but the left wing does. The right wing often claims to get its morality from some religious text or other, but I find it a bit curious that all the ¨right wing¨ religions are so similar and the more ¨left wing¨ religious ideas also have many commonalities.

But it´s hard for me to really conceive of in a coherent way, largely because I cannot really comprehend the right wing mentality at all. I understand it, but to me it just seems like mad raving. I suppose that it tends to be based on fears of something, as they seem to speak constantly in the terms of fear, glorifying fear. Maybe they just worship fear and terror and project this onto some kind of God-figure which they then brag about ¨fearing¨ more than the other. What´s always seeemed most incomprehensible to me about them is that they talk about being ¨God-fearing¨, about being terrified of their creator, as if it is really something to be proud of and it doesn´t occur to them in the least that anyone wouldn´t love to live in terror. But I´m not sure exactly what it is fundamentally that so terrifies them that they seem to insist on celebrating, or why they seem so enthusiastic about the prospect of a life characterized by terror.

[info]dgowers

February 17 2005, 05:19:11 UTC 7 years ago

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HAHAHAHAHA
yeah, both the left and right are profoundly moral, that's why they're so terrible. Anyone who believes in the state is necessarily moral, though.

We? Use 'I'.
I (whoever I may be) am only harmed by legislating morality -- it necessarily prevents me from doing some things necessary for my prosperity. Society is benefited (if a hallucination can benefit) by legislating morality -- well! the purpose of society IS morality -- i. e. the purpose of society is it's own maintenance (insofar as an phantasmic liar can have purpose). So society is bad for you, whoever you are -- morality then is bad, selfishness is good..

However. In the world's current state, virtually everyone wants government, lazys. So if we must for the moment have government, is it not evident from this that the moralizing must be kept to the bare essentials*, and the government's only concern should be maintaining the rights it grants its citizens**?

* basically 'do not violate others or their property'.
** i.e Its only job should be to prevent others from harming you. not to help you or hinder you in any way -- it should not be it's business if you're sick, suicidal, going to get drunk and killed in a car crash in the next 4 hours, going to change the world so that government becomes obsolete, hate 'blacks/homos/jews/arabs/what have you craziness'.. You can be as crazy as you want as long as it doesn't harm others.

What is the point of this LJ entry? it was not made very clear. I like to know the point of what i'm discussing, if it is partly someone else's point' hahaha.

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